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My father drinks 1-3 bottles of wine every single night of the week. He can barely speak or keep his eyes open as the evenings progress.My family ignore this.I have told him he drinks far too much many times and he dismisses me. He isn't young and I am worried about his health.Am i being too hard on him?It unsettles me

It should.

Take it from an alcoholic, that is a tad much. One bottle, well, not hugely bad. Three - that's bad and not in a good way.

Now I have confirmed your worries, let me give you the bad news. Absolutely nothing you say or do will have the slightest effect on him. Folk who are dependant on alcohol, or drugs, or sex, or abuse (yes, it is all the same part of the brain) have to wake up on their own. Almost nothing you say or do will change his behavior. It must come from within. You can minimise the harm he does to himself by hiding that third bottle and convincing him he drank it - after two bottles that is a pretty easy con to pull off.

You are not being hard on him. You love him and would rather he was around for a while yet, which he probably won't be if he keeps drinking at that rate. Of course you are concerned and scared - but without his co-operation, nothing will happen. You can try, and I hope you will, but don't get your hopes up.

One thing every admitted alcoholic I know will tell you (and I know a fair few by now) if you get to know them, is that the urge to drink is really not part of you anymore. It is like a second voice - a demon if you like - inside your head saying "Go on, have a drink." You got to understand, the guy who necks 3 bottles of wine a night is not your Dad. Your Dad is the sober one, usually slightly hung over.

You want to help. That is good. You will help, that is better. You cannot help until he admits he needs help, that sucks.

Sorry lass.

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Frenchie

You're right MM. For people dependant on something, no matter what it is, admitting that they are, indeed, dependant is the first step. Unfortunately, you can't really do anything until they admit it. You can't be his nurse nor his psychiatrist, although I know you want to be there for him and it is HARD as hell to just be there, witnessing the whole thing and waiting for him to realize that he's not only hurting himself but everyone else around him. I have unfortunately no smart thing to say to make you feel better. You can probably find help and seek advice on the Internet or maybe try and talk to someone from an AA program near your house?

MM, if you allow me to ask, what keeps you from drinking again? How do you fight the urge? Does it ever fade overtime?

Mystery Man

I get cravings about once a week, even after nearly 18 months dry. Sometimes bad ones, sometimes that quiet, reasonable little voice saying "A beer would go down well just about now. You have earned it."

I have friends who keep me from drinking, my local bars know I don't drink anymore and will not serve me alcohol - that helps minimise the temptation. My lady drinks still, but will kick seven bells out of me if I try at home. But the main reason is I don't drink cause I said I wouldn't drink.

The main thing to get me through craving days though is the standard alcoholic's refrain - "I will not drink TODAY."

Being an addict really, really sucks at times.

trouble741

Just make sure to be there for your dad. Some part of him probably realizes he has a problem even if he won't admit it right now. That takes guts though to tell him how you feel about his drinking so kudos. I hope everything works out for you guys. Good luck.

silkysly

I was married to an alcoholic & its sucks…, plain & simple. I feel your pain. I tried hiding bottles, but he bought more. I tried, “If you quit drinking, I quit smoking.” The only thing it got me was a healthier me; I haven’t smoke in 9 years. (that’s a good thing) What I have learned, is what Myst is telling you. It doesn’t matter what you do or say. It’s him & his disease. HE has to realize they have a drinking problem & act on it. If he EVER asks for help to kick it, be the first one in line. I wish I had more for you. Best of luck!

Madison

My Dad is an alcoholic too. He has gotten drunk to the point of passing out almost every day for the last 10 years. Lately, he starts his first glass of wine around noon. Everyone in my family has warned him about his alcoholism, but to no end. He won't listen to anyone.

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Hi I am the asker. Thanks MM for sharing your personal experience and advice. Thanks everyone else for your replies, they are all very helpful. He has been very successful professionally and I think maybe in part the drinking after work is some kind of stress relief. He has always done this since ever since I was a child, however I have recently moved back to my parents house and it is only now that i see it for what is it. None of my other siblings live at home anymore and none of them see his drinking as anything out of the ordinary and although my mother will agree he drinks too much she also doesn't think there is any harm in it. I would never have necessarily called it alcoholism - I just see him as a semi retired late 60s man who sits in his study every evening and drinks between one and three bottles a night. He is never rowdy or acts crazy or hungover or anything like that - he is just literally wasted. Even though he is doing nobody any harm it niggles at me because I feel like he should be taking care of himself more. He did stop for a month after my incessant pestering and because he has started to look like crap and his hands noticeably shake quite badly. But he is now back on the drink and i hate seeing my father in a state where is incapable of understanding a conversation or unable to form a sentence. I feel like now that he is semi-retired he should be going out there and doing something fun, getting healthy rather than diminishing in front of the tv with his wine. Just recently, there was an security situation at work during the middle of the night and because he was so drunk he was unable to understand what was going on and unable to obviously drive himself out to sort this situation out. I was completely frustrated with him told him that I was ashamed of him - which i then felt awful about - even though I really shouldn't have because the next day he had no recollection of anything!!! In some ways i feel like i should leave him alone, because he has lived his life - he had a tough one, he worked extremely hard for all of us and he is just trying to unwind but in other ways i feel like i should try to change his lifestyle because now he's getting old, he has high blood pressure, he needs to moderate his alcohol intake before he damages himself. I don't drink that much at all so maybe I am too sensitive to his drinking. Torn.

Mystery Man

He is still veering into alcoholic territory, even if he is not quite there yet. Drinking until you get the shakes is not a sign of moderation! There is always a justification behind drinking, and that justification becomes more and more important over time.

I will suggest one thing - as he is now semi retired, he is probably bored out of his skull. Drinking gets a lot more tempting when you have nothing to do. Get your mother to get him out and doing stuff of an evening. Do it yourself too. If he worked hard all his life, there must be something he would love to do that he put to one side for making a living. Get him on that.

Not a cure, but it will help.

silkysly

Labeling it an alcoholic or someone who abuses alcohol does address the problem. My 31 year old nephew died last month from a heart attack. He drank everyday till he was $h!T faced. You don’t die at 31 from taking care of yourself. Sorry to be so hard, but the truth sucks sometimes…

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I live in a family where everybody drinks too much. Every single person is either an actively drinking alcoholic or an adult child of an alcoholic. Most are both, and nobody in the family (except me) thinks there is any problem. What MM says is absolutely true - there is nothing you can do until your father decides to seek help on his own. There is also nothing you can do to wake your family up. HOWEVER, there are still tools that you can learn to help you cope with this without giving in to pestering, anxiety, worry, or shame about it with your father and family. I have felt and done all of those things, and none of them worked or had any long-term effect except to make me angrier and them drink more. The relationships started to deteriorate.

I have been a member of Al-Anon, the sister group of Alcoholics Anonymous, for almost four years. Al-Anon is for people who are affected by another person's drinking. It helped a lot as I coped (and continue to cope) with the people in my life who drink too much. I learned tools, strategies, skills, and was surrounded by loving, caring, understanding people as I applied them. My life and the alcholics' lives are much improved since I began using this program. I would encourage you to check out meetings in your area - as many as possible, because every one of them has their own style and feel and you want to find the one that feels right to you - you'll know it when you find it. Here is a link to their website and meeting schedules. My prayers are with you.

http://www.al-anon.alateen.org/

silkysly

Great post....

Mystery Man

Agreed. I am always reluctant to reccomend AA or it's sister organisations because a lot of people feel uncomfortable with it.

It helped me. It helped my lady understand me. But some folk don't take the mention of God kindly.

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